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		By: JoeS		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23316</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 04:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LA Times delivers their newspapers in plastic bags. Shouldn&#039;t they pay $.10]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA Times delivers their newspapers in plastic bags. Shouldn&#8217;t they pay $.10</p>
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		By: James Li		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Li]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 01:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;c) All bags collected be recycled in a manner consistent with the local jurisdiction’s recycling plan&quot;

So, if the local recycling center doesn&#039;t take plastic bags (and most don&#039;t), does this mean that &quot;manner consistent&quot; means the stores can just dump them in the trash?

Some branches of larger stores (e.g., Safeway) already collect bags for recycling.  However, given the transportation costs, it appears to be more for public relations purposes than, say, reducing the emission of greenhouse gases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;c) All bags collected be recycled in a manner consistent with the local jurisdiction’s recycling plan&#8221;</p>
<p>So, if the local recycling center doesn&#8217;t take plastic bags (and most don&#8217;t), does this mean that &#8220;manner consistent&#8221; means the stores can just dump them in the trash?</p>
<p>Some branches of larger stores (e.g., Safeway) already collect bags for recycling.  However, given the transportation costs, it appears to be more for public relations purposes than, say, reducing the emission of greenhouse gases.</p>
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		By: Kristin		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23314</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kristin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 18:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay. These liberal fools are the reason we got plastic bags in the first place. Because the environmentalist wackos didn&#039;t want us to cut down trees for paper bags, we had to have plastic. Now they get their panties in a twist because plastic isn&#039;t biodegradable. NO DUH. We tried to fight you back then, probably 25 years ago now or longer. Now we&#039;re having the same STUPID fight.

We need to smack ourselves upside our collective foreheads for letting the commies con us into such idiocy. Will we never learn?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. These liberal fools are the reason we got plastic bags in the first place. Because the environmentalist wackos didn&#8217;t want us to cut down trees for paper bags, we had to have plastic. Now they get their panties in a twist because plastic isn&#8217;t biodegradable. NO DUH. We tried to fight you back then, probably 25 years ago now or longer. Now we&#8217;re having the same STUPID fight.</p>
<p>We need to smack ourselves upside our collective foreheads for letting the commies con us into such idiocy. Will we never learn?</p>
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		By: pj		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23313</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t the stores man up and sue?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t the stores man up and sue?!</p>
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		By: This sucks		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23312</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This sucks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Larger chain stores would probably resort to just paying the fine than jump through all those hoops.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larger chain stores would probably resort to just paying the fine than jump through all those hoops.</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23311</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And if plastic grocery bags were outlawed it would cost me a lot more than 3 or 4 dollars a year.

First, I will have to buy a set of re-usable bags that will then need to be washed every few weeks.  Or I can pay twenty cents per paper bag (what the city council wants to tax us for paper bags when they outlaw plastic bags).  Assuming the later, that would be at least a dollar a week.

Next, I will need to buy plastic bags for what I use the free grocery bags for.

I estimate that all this would cost me at least $75 to $100 per year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if plastic grocery bags were outlawed it would cost me a lot more than 3 or 4 dollars a year.</p>
<p>First, I will have to buy a set of re-usable bags that will then need to be washed every few weeks.  Or I can pay twenty cents per paper bag (what the city council wants to tax us for paper bags when they outlaw plastic bags).  Assuming the later, that would be at least a dollar a week.</p>
<p>Next, I will need to buy plastic bags for what I use the free grocery bags for.</p>
<p>I estimate that all this would cost me at least $75 to $100 per year.</p>
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		By: CalWatchdog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CalWatchdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course some of the costs will be passed on to consumers. Studies have calculated that it will be approximately $3 - $4 per year. Meanwhile, grocery stores will be required to manage a new recycling program, and doing formal reporting to the state. This takes another employee, and accounting department time, which costs far more than $3-$4 per year.  

Katy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course some of the costs will be passed on to consumers. Studies have calculated that it will be approximately $3 &#8211; $4 per year. Meanwhile, grocery stores will be required to manage a new recycling program, and doing formal reporting to the state. This takes another employee, and accounting department time, which costs far more than $3-$4 per year.  </p>
<p>Katy</p>
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		By: jimmydeeoc		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23309</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...........meanwhile, the state deficit is $16 billion  (That&#039;s $16,000,000,000 for the numerically-inclined).  Insert Nero reference here.

I have but one quibble, Ms Grimes.  While it is true that bag-fee laws are being dreamed up by busybody city councils everywhere, with the effect of literally nickle-and-diming us at the checkout, the &quot;cost to business&quot; will eventually be borne by consumers as well.  Someone&#039;s gotta pay for that Hydrocarbon Product Recycling Coordinator Level II.

Essentially we can look forward to paying for bags both directly AND indirectly!

If we are lucky, cooler heads and legislative laziness will prevail.  (Remember the dire predictions in the mid 1990s which suggested that by 2010 the planet would be covered in a sea of discarded compact disk packaging?  Somehow we averted that crisis.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..meanwhile, the state deficit is $16 billion  (That&#8217;s $16,000,000,000 for the numerically-inclined).  Insert Nero reference here.</p>
<p>I have but one quibble, Ms Grimes.  While it is true that bag-fee laws are being dreamed up by busybody city councils everywhere, with the effect of literally nickle-and-diming us at the checkout, the &#8220;cost to business&#8221; will eventually be borne by consumers as well.  Someone&#8217;s gotta pay for that Hydrocarbon Product Recycling Coordinator Level II.</p>
<p>Essentially we can look forward to paying for bags both directly AND indirectly!</p>
<p>If we are lucky, cooler heads and legislative laziness will prevail.  (Remember the dire predictions in the mid 1990s which suggested that by 2010 the planet would be covered in a sea of discarded compact disk packaging?  Somehow we averted that crisis.)</p>
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		By: Ulysses Uhaul		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ulysses Uhaul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 06:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And those who fear control....GPS in your car or dumb phone are huge invasions of privacy you actually...gladly....pay for....dah!!!!

Do you want the world to know &quot;everything&quot; you do, where you visit in a public domain data base?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And those who fear control&#8230;.GPS in your car or dumb phone are huge invasions of privacy you actually&#8230;gladly&#8230;.pay for&#8230;.dah!!!!</p>
<p>Do you want the world to know &#8220;everything&#8221; you do, where you visit in a public domain data base?</p>
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		By: Gerald Caskey		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/08/21/state-muscles-grocers-over-plastic-bags/#comment-23307</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerald Caskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Its much ado about nothing.They must not have anything to do up there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its much ado about nothing.They must not have anything to do up there.</p>
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