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		By: CalWatchdog		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16769</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Truthsquad wrote: &quot;I believe the market (and our economy) will continue to grow. Always has, always will.&quot;

That&#039;s what the Japanese thought in 1989, and they&#039;ve had more than two &quot;lost decades&quot; since.

And as I indicated in my article, America&#039;s massive debt problems, combined with the retirement of the baby boomers, has brought stagnation to America&#039;s economy. There hasn&#039;t been any real growth here for 13 years -- and counting.

As to my &quot;bashing the stock market,&quot; the market primarily is influenced by the government, which devours 40 percent of the economy. Only when government frees the economy will the market grow again.

At this point, the only thing that could produce the robust growth Truthsquad expects would be to sharply cut government, especially the pension overload and the union contracts, cut taxes like Reagan did to stimuluate growth, and stabilize the currency with the gold standard.

But none of that is going to happen. It will, eventually, after the banks stop loaning to the U.S. and state and local governments. Then they&#039;ll have to make sharp cuts. But that probably won&#039;t happen for about 5-10 years.

So it&#039;s Stagnation Nation for a long time.

-- John Seiler]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthsquad wrote: &#8220;I believe the market (and our economy) will continue to grow. Always has, always will.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the Japanese thought in 1989, and they&#8217;ve had more than two &#8220;lost decades&#8221; since.</p>
<p>And as I indicated in my article, America&#8217;s massive debt problems, combined with the retirement of the baby boomers, has brought stagnation to America&#8217;s economy. There hasn&#8217;t been any real growth here for 13 years &#8212; and counting.</p>
<p>As to my &#8220;bashing the stock market,&#8221; the market primarily is influenced by the government, which devours 40 percent of the economy. Only when government frees the economy will the market grow again.</p>
<p>At this point, the only thing that could produce the robust growth Truthsquad expects would be to sharply cut government, especially the pension overload and the union contracts, cut taxes like Reagan did to stimuluate growth, and stabilize the currency with the gold standard.</p>
<p>But none of that is going to happen. It will, eventually, after the banks stop loaning to the U.S. and state and local governments. Then they&#8217;ll have to make sharp cuts. But that probably won&#8217;t happen for about 5-10 years.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s Stagnation Nation for a long time.</p>
<p>&#8212; John Seiler</p>
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		By: Truthsquad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, the irony: right-wing editorial writers bashing the stock market. Gotta love that. Where, oh where, do you think that the conservative alternative to defined benefit retirement gets its funding. That would be the STOCK MARKET. And as study after study shows, 401k plans are more expensive to administer and have even lower returns that defined benefit plans (which are guided by professional investors instead of amateurs). 

As for putting my money where my mouth is, it&#039;s in the stock market -- the foundation of capitalism in the United States. And like most Americans (and defined benefit pensin administrators), I believe the market (and our economy) will continue to grow. Always has, always will. It&#039;s unfortunate that the naysaying from the ultra-right now has even lost faith in the private sector as well as tphe public sector.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the irony: right-wing editorial writers bashing the stock market. Gotta love that. Where, oh where, do you think that the conservative alternative to defined benefit retirement gets its funding. That would be the STOCK MARKET. And as study after study shows, 401k plans are more expensive to administer and have even lower returns that defined benefit plans (which are guided by professional investors instead of amateurs). </p>
<p>As for putting my money where my mouth is, it&#8217;s in the stock market &#8212; the foundation of capitalism in the United States. And like most Americans (and defined benefit pensin administrators), I believe the market (and our economy) will continue to grow. Always has, always will. It&#8217;s unfortunate that the naysaying from the ultra-right now has even lost faith in the private sector as well as tphe public sector.</p>
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		By: Rex The Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16767</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Hey, that’s a plan. Reward criminals because if you don’t they’ll blow up the economy!!! &lt;/b&gt;

They should ALL have bee FORCED to go BK. All of them, TARP was a friggen scam.

Same with the public employee pensions-F&#039; the tax hikes, let then go BK. These gov employees already make 2-20 times more than they would at market rates, with bullet proof job security, and WE get stuck paying their multi million dollar pensions??? Sorry, let them go BK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Hey, that’s a plan. Reward criminals because if you don’t they’ll blow up the economy!!! </b></p>
<p>They should ALL have bee FORCED to go BK. All of them, TARP was a friggen scam.</p>
<p>Same with the public employee pensions-F&#8217; the tax hikes, let then go BK. These gov employees already make 2-20 times more than they would at market rates, with bullet proof job security, and WE get stuck paying their multi million dollar pensions??? Sorry, let them go BK.</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16766</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lets grow up….banks are trillions in hole…slow reflate of cash flow and net worth…bad loans worked out or there will be net worth available to charge off bad loans&quot;

Hey, that&#039;s a plan. Reward criminals because if you don&#039;t they&#039;ll blow up the economy!!! 

As a matter of fact - let&#039;s take it a step further.....let the banksters gamble with huge wagers - if they win let them keep the winnings - if they lose force the common man to bail them out and save them. 

And keep paying them those gigantic bonuses because we need to fill Wall Street up with the best and the brightest!!! 

Nice plan. Stay in lockstep! :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lets grow up….banks are trillions in hole…slow reflate of cash flow and net worth…bad loans worked out or there will be net worth available to charge off bad loans&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, that&#8217;s a plan. Reward criminals because if you don&#8217;t they&#8217;ll blow up the economy!!! </p>
<p>As a matter of fact &#8211; let&#8217;s take it a step further&#8230;..let the banksters gamble with huge wagers &#8211; if they win let them keep the winnings &#8211; if they lose force the common man to bail them out and save them. </p>
<p>And keep paying them those gigantic bonuses because we need to fill Wall Street up with the best and the brightest!!! </p>
<p>Nice plan. Stay in lockstep! 😀</p>
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		By: Tough Love		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16765</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Outsourcing with ONLY contractually required payouts (NOT early retirement packages or enhanced Severance Pay) is certainly the quickest way to deal with this financial crisis.  It also has the least issue with legal challenges to MATERIAL pension &#038; benefit reductions]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsourcing with ONLY contractually required payouts (NOT early retirement packages or enhanced Severance Pay) is certainly the quickest way to deal with this financial crisis.  It also has the least issue with legal challenges to MATERIAL pension &amp; benefit reductions</p>
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		By: nowsane		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16764</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think there is one more very small opportunity to slay the pension dragon, and that is if Moonbeam and other leaders at local levels develop some backbone and divest their bureaucracies of non-essential employees, those functions that could be performed by contractors. Mr. Lusvardi&#039;s original article that “TruthSquad” commented on noted that the city of Laguna Niguel has such a small government workforce that the city doesn&#039;t face any risk of pension costs absorbing the city budget.I know, most leaders and tied the unions, so this is extremely unlikely, so why am I wasting time commenting?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is one more very small opportunity to slay the pension dragon, and that is if Moonbeam and other leaders at local levels develop some backbone and divest their bureaucracies of non-essential employees, those functions that could be performed by contractors. Mr. Lusvardi&#8217;s original article that “TruthSquad” commented on noted that the city of Laguna Niguel has such a small government workforce that the city doesn&#8217;t face any risk of pension costs absorbing the city budget.I know, most leaders and tied the unions, so this is extremely unlikely, so why am I wasting time commenting?</p>
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		By: JIM MC KINLEY		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16763</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BANKS, INVESTMENT, POLICY,OBAMA NOR REPUBLICANS ARE NOT SOLUTIONS.WORK IS!WE NEED MANUFACTURING BACK IN THE USA.SMALL INCREASE IN GOODS BOUGHT WOULD ACT SIMILAR TO INCREASE IN TAX,BUT WOULD GIVE EARNINGS TO PAY DIFFERENCE.THIS WOULD CAUSE (CONTROLLED)INFLATION,INCREASE BUYING.....HOUSING,AUTOS AND GOODS.A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL SHIPS.TRADE DEFICIT MUST SHRINK AND WILL BE THE SAVING GRACE.THER IS NO OTHER OPTION!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BANKS, INVESTMENT, POLICY,OBAMA NOR REPUBLICANS ARE NOT SOLUTIONS.WORK IS!WE NEED MANUFACTURING BACK IN THE USA.SMALL INCREASE IN GOODS BOUGHT WOULD ACT SIMILAR TO INCREASE IN TAX,BUT WOULD GIVE EARNINGS TO PAY DIFFERENCE.THIS WOULD CAUSE (CONTROLLED)INFLATION,INCREASE BUYING&#8230;..HOUSING,AUTOS AND GOODS.A RISING TIDE LIFTS ALL SHIPS.TRADE DEFICIT MUST SHRINK AND WILL BE THE SAVING GRACE.THER IS NO OTHER OPTION!!!</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16762</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 06:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Called net worth building......any educated person understands if you  BK the banks...end of credit to middle class....massive unemployment riiots and mayhem.

Lets grow up....banks are trillions in hole...slow reflate of cash flow and net worth...bad loans worked out or there will be net worth available  to charge off bad loans.

Some on this site think this financial misery thwarts their lot in life....hardly....pity parties are ruining your attitude and life possibilties...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Called net worth building&#8230;&#8230;any educated person understands if you  BK the banks&#8230;end of credit to middle class&#8230;.massive unemployment riiots and mayhem.</p>
<p>Lets grow up&#8230;.banks are trillions in hole&#8230;slow reflate of cash flow and net worth&#8230;bad loans worked out or there will be net worth available  to charge off bad loans.</p>
<p>Some on this site think this financial misery thwarts their lot in life&#8230;.hardly&#8230;.pity parties are ruining your attitude and life possibilties&#8230;</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16761</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beelzebub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And what&#039;s so productive about crooked banksters who borrow 0% interest government loans only to reinvest those loans back into treasuries for a cheap and easy 2% gain that they don&#039;t have to pay taxes on? :D

Grow up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what&#8217;s so productive about crooked banksters who borrow 0% interest government loans only to reinvest those loans back into treasuries for a cheap and easy 2% gain that they don&#8217;t have to pay taxes on? 😀</p>
<p>Grow up.</p>
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		By: queeg		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/13/why-pensions-are-going-broke/#comment-16760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[queeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 06:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You forgot all the natty little groups ....the nonproducers, government workers.....sucking all of us dry......hmmmm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot all the natty little groups &#8230;.the nonproducers, government workers&#8230;..sucking all of us dry&#8230;&#8230;hmmmm</p>
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