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		By: Martha Montelongo		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16428</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martha Montelongo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wayne, what about eminent domain?   Can they still use it as easily as in a &#039;redevelopment zone?&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne, what about eminent domain?   Can they still use it as easily as in a &#8216;redevelopment zone?&#8217;</p>
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		By: Rex The Wonder Dog!		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rex The Wonder Dog!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 23:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The author’s accusation that Ventura is loan sharking doesn&#039;t hold water either. Each U.S. state has its own statute which dictates how much interest can be charged before it is considered usurious or unlawful. California usury law prohibits lending at interest rates above 10%.&lt;/b&gt;

100% FALSE. Interest rates can only be regulated under the state the lender has their charter or corporate HQs (forgot which), that&#039;s why no bank is chartered in CA per the SCOTUS.  I guess you have not seen credit card rate the last 35 years in CA either-18%035% and even 140% for &quot;cash call&quot;, or try going to a &quot;payday&quot; lender where the annual interest rate is over 100%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The author’s accusation that Ventura is loan sharking doesn&#8217;t hold water either. Each U.S. state has its own statute which dictates how much interest can be charged before it is considered usurious or unlawful. California usury law prohibits lending at interest rates above 10%.</b></p>
<p>100% FALSE. Interest rates can only be regulated under the state the lender has their charter or corporate HQs (forgot which), that&#8217;s why no bank is chartered in CA per the SCOTUS.  I guess you have not seen credit card rate the last 35 years in CA either-18%035% and even 140% for &#8220;cash call&#8221;, or try going to a &#8220;payday&#8221; lender where the annual interest rate is over 100%.</p>
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		By: Rellis Smith		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16426</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rellis Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 19:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is only another feather in the cap of the Gang in the Ivory Tower. (Ventura City Hall).  About a year ago when the Ventura Housing Authority was caught using money in the wrong way they were told by the State to immediatly repair the loans they had received from the City, the County, and the School district.  The Gang in the Ivory Tower simply forgave a $500,000 loan they had given to the Housing Authority which is simply the Ventura City Council with differant hats on.  The Ventura County and the Ventura School district turned down the request to forgive their loans also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is only another feather in the cap of the Gang in the Ivory Tower. (Ventura City Hall).  About a year ago when the Ventura Housing Authority was caught using money in the wrong way they were told by the State to immediatly repair the loans they had received from the City, the County, and the School district.  The Gang in the Ivory Tower simply forgave a $500,000 loan they had given to the Housing Authority which is simply the Ventura City Council with differant hats on.  The Ventura County and the Ventura School district turned down the request to forgive their loans also.</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16425</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FRANK
It would be illegal to require a private business to enter into a lucrative high interest loan in return for approvals of zoning and a conditional use permit.  I&#039;m not saying, nor did I say in the article, that anything like that happened in this case. 

But if such a practice of making high interest business loans in lieu of conventional redevelopment (now defunct) was to become widespread, I can think of a number of cash strapped cities that might be tempted to abuse this.  They could start selling zoning to the highest bidder.  Once again, I am not making accusations.  I assume everything was done on the proverbial &quot;up and up.&quot;  What I am doing is discussing whether this is good public policy and practice since we are likely to see more of it. 

Example:
Owner A comes along and wants to expand their property. But the city denies the expansion for ambiguous reasons. 

Owner B comes along in a nearly identical property and agrees to borrow money from the city and their expansion plans are approved.  

This is why if a local government entity is going to offer a loan (say for surplus property sale) it is better to have an independent appraiser set the market interest rate for the loan.  Not doing a loan for market interest arouses suspicions. 

Doubling the interest rate is not necessarily usury, but it could create the appearance of a business buying influence or the city selling permit approvals to the highest bidder.  

A local government can sell surplus property and take back paper on an installment loan.  But this is entirely different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRANK<br />
It would be illegal to require a private business to enter into a lucrative high interest loan in return for approvals of zoning and a conditional use permit.  I&#8217;m not saying, nor did I say in the article, that anything like that happened in this case. </p>
<p>But if such a practice of making high interest business loans in lieu of conventional redevelopment (now defunct) was to become widespread, I can think of a number of cash strapped cities that might be tempted to abuse this.  They could start selling zoning to the highest bidder.  Once again, I am not making accusations.  I assume everything was done on the proverbial &#8220;up and up.&#8221;  What I am doing is discussing whether this is good public policy and practice since we are likely to see more of it. </p>
<p>Example:<br />
Owner A comes along and wants to expand their property. But the city denies the expansion for ambiguous reasons. </p>
<p>Owner B comes along in a nearly identical property and agrees to borrow money from the city and their expansion plans are approved.  </p>
<p>This is why if a local government entity is going to offer a loan (say for surplus property sale) it is better to have an independent appraiser set the market interest rate for the loan.  Not doing a loan for market interest arouses suspicions. </p>
<p>Doubling the interest rate is not necessarily usury, but it could create the appearance of a business buying influence or the city selling permit approvals to the highest bidder.  </p>
<p>A local government can sell surplus property and take back paper on an installment loan.  But this is entirely different.</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 04:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frank:
I didn&#039;t write that the loan was usury.  

Although I am not a lawyer, paying the carrying costs of a business would likely be illegal for a local government to do in California.  This is not a joint venture for a &quot;public-private&quot; project.  

Could the city have waived permit fees and accomplished the same thing because the expanded facilities would generate taxes for the city?  

And what about the appearance of extortion: &quot;we will give you your expansion permits if you allow us to make double the going interest rate on a loan to finance your improvements?&quot;   

Think again Frank.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank:<br />
I didn&#8217;t write that the loan was usury.  </p>
<p>Although I am not a lawyer, paying the carrying costs of a business would likely be illegal for a local government to do in California.  This is not a joint venture for a &#8220;public-private&#8221; project.  </p>
<p>Could the city have waived permit fees and accomplished the same thing because the expanded facilities would generate taxes for the city?  </p>
<p>And what about the appearance of extortion: &#8220;we will give you your expansion permits if you allow us to make double the going interest rate on a loan to finance your improvements?&#8221;   </p>
<p>Think again Frank.</p>
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		By: Beelzebub		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beelzebub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 02:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Where are the Occupy Movement advocates?&quot;

Occupy got tired of getting sprayed in the face with mace and hauled off to the slammer in cattle cars while the rest of you were trashing them. 

Don&#039;t forget that Occupy protested at the SF Federal Reserve Building (52 arrested), protested at Obama&#039;s campaign HQ&#039;s in DesMoines and marched on both the Capital Building and the Supreme Court in DC while you folks conveniently weren&#039;t paying attention.

When&#039;s the last time the Tea Party took a stand or did anything that mattered?

Last I read all the Tea Party heroes back in DC voted to raise the debt ceiling. :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where are the Occupy Movement advocates?&#8221;</p>
<p>Occupy got tired of getting sprayed in the face with mace and hauled off to the slammer in cattle cars while the rest of you were trashing them. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that Occupy protested at the SF Federal Reserve Building (52 arrested), protested at Obama&#8217;s campaign HQ&#8217;s in DesMoines and marched on both the Capital Building and the Supreme Court in DC while you folks conveniently weren&#8217;t paying attention.</p>
<p>When&#8217;s the last time the Tea Party took a stand or did anything that mattered?</p>
<p>Last I read all the Tea Party heroes back in DC voted to raise the debt ceiling. 😀</p>
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		By: Frank		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 01:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The author mistakenly calls this action &quot;arbitraging&quot;.  It is in fact an example of a form of &quot;carry&quot; trade.  Carry trades are not arbitrages: pure arbitrages make money no matter what; carry trades make money only if nothing changes against the carry&#039;s favor.

The author&#039;s accusation that Ventura is loan sharking doesn&#039;t hold water either. Each U.S. state has its own statute which dictates how much interest can be charged before it is considered usurious or unlawful. California usuary law prohibits lending at interest rates above 10%.  Clearly Ventura is not charging &quot;loan shark&quot; rates as the author charges.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author mistakenly calls this action &#8220;arbitraging&#8221;.  It is in fact an example of a form of &#8220;carry&#8221; trade.  Carry trades are not arbitrages: pure arbitrages make money no matter what; carry trades make money only if nothing changes against the carry&#8217;s favor.</p>
<p>The author&#8217;s accusation that Ventura is loan sharking doesn&#8217;t hold water either. Each U.S. state has its own statute which dictates how much interest can be charged before it is considered usurious or unlawful. California usuary law prohibits lending at interest rates above 10%.  Clearly Ventura is not charging &#8220;loan shark&#8221; rates as the author charges.</p>
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		By: The DA		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The DA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 01:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely nothing smells right about this transaction. 

	Assuming that the casino is low risk, are we to believe that they would be unable to secure the loan for a rate a lot more favorable to them than 8%?  Is there no other lending entity out there who could match or undercut the City’s proposed rate?  What planet are we living on?  I would have been happy to refinance my house in order to make that kind of a loan.

	Then there’s the question of “whose idea was this?”  How strange is it for any business in need of expansion funds to go knocking at the City’s door for a loan?  It simply isn’t the first place one would normally consider tapping for an $850,000 loan much less for an interest rate that seems ludicrous on it’s face.  

	Was it the City’s idea?  Very doubtful unless you believe there’s a whole group of City employees who do nothing more than sit around and figure out who might want to borrow money from the City at usurious rates.  

	Perhaps this is a legitimate transaction that can only be understood by financial wizards, but to lesser lights such as myself, it looks more like a bribe disguised as a loan.  

        I wonder if the casino could have expanded their facilities at all without City approval?  

	Hmmmm?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely nothing smells right about this transaction. </p>
<p>	Assuming that the casino is low risk, are we to believe that they would be unable to secure the loan for a rate a lot more favorable to them than 8%?  Is there no other lending entity out there who could match or undercut the City’s proposed rate?  What planet are we living on?  I would have been happy to refinance my house in order to make that kind of a loan.</p>
<p>	Then there’s the question of “whose idea was this?”  How strange is it for any business in need of expansion funds to go knocking at the City’s door for a loan?  It simply isn’t the first place one would normally consider tapping for an $850,000 loan much less for an interest rate that seems ludicrous on it’s face.  </p>
<p>	Was it the City’s idea?  Very doubtful unless you believe there’s a whole group of City employees who do nothing more than sit around and figure out who might want to borrow money from the City at usurious rates.  </p>
<p>	Perhaps this is a legitimate transaction that can only be understood by financial wizards, but to lesser lights such as myself, it looks more like a bribe disguised as a loan.  </p>
<p>        I wonder if the casino could have expanded their facilities at all without City approval?  </p>
<p>	Hmmmm?</p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where are the Occupy Movement advocates?  
See here:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bank-america-initiated-new-loan-shark]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the Occupy Movement advocates?<br />
See here:<br />
<a href="http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bank-america-initiated-new-loan-shark" rel="nofollow ugc">http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bank-america-initiated-new-loan-shark</a></p>
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		By: Wayne Lusvardi		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2012/04/02/redevelopment-morphs-into-loan-sharking/#comment-16419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Lusvardi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To put a little perspective on this, Michael Milken went to prison for something like this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put a little perspective on this, Michael Milken went to prison for something like this.</p>
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