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		By: &#8220;Amazon Tax&#8221; Passed in California &#124; drivelocity.com		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;Amazon Tax&#8221; Passed in California &#124; drivelocity.com]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] residents. Just like what they did in Illinois and Colorado! CalWatchDog.com crunched some numbers&#8230; In 2009 California received $124 million in income taxes from affiliates. So, instead of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] residents. Just like what they did in Illinois and Colorado! CalWatchDog.com crunched some numbers&#8230; In 2009 California received $124 million in income taxes from affiliates. So, instead of the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: HalloweenBlogs		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HalloweenBlogs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 00:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can speak from personal experience on this issue, because I&#039;m one of those small fry affiliates desperately trying to scratch out a living from Amazon&#039;s affiliate program (and others).  I was laid off in 2009, haven&#039;t been able to find a new job since, and have no realistic expectation that I will find a new one any time soon, given California has the 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation.  I&#039;ve been working every day, often 15 hour days, creating blog pages to try to get to the point where I can at least cover my monthly expenses.  At this point, affiliate marketing is my only realistic hope of keeping off the welfare rolls and out of food banks.  If any of these bills go into law, Amazon, Overstock, and other affiliate programs will dump me, and then I don&#039;t know what I will do.  The rich affiliates will move out of state, taking their jobs, personal income, etc. with them, I don&#039;t have that option.

I can tell you from personal experience, switching over to new vendors would require re-doing the months worth of work I&#039;ve already done.  I would get ZERO future income from hundreds or even thousands of hours worth of work I&#039;ve already done, and switching everything over would prevent me from doing hundreds of hours worth of work that I could do as I end up having to spend that time re-doing work I&#039;ve already done.  Anyone who thinks you can just flick a switch and change everything over doesn&#039;t understand how affiliate marketing works.

As for Barnes &#038; Nobles offer to pick up some of the dumped affiliates, note the word &quot;some&quot;.  The beauty of Amazon&#039;s affiliate program is that anyone, anyone, with a website, no matter what their traffic, no matter if they have no prior affiliate experience, no matter how small their website, can join the Amazon Associates Program and start in affiliate marketing.  You don&#039;t have to have a fully completed website, you don&#039;t have to have a minimum traffic level, you aren&#039;t scrutinized by some affiliate manager, you can just join and start working.  It doesn&#039;t matter how small you are, how poorly you perform in the beginning, you can still join, participate, and work towards bigger and more profitable times.  That&#039;s a large part of WHY amazon became as big as they did, their open door policy towards all affiliate marketers.

Not so with Barnes &#038; Noble.  I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be glad to scoop up the top performers, well, the ones who don&#039;t relocate out of state, that is, but they won&#039;t be interested in the small fry.  I applied to their affiliate program and was rejected, and I&#039;m sure I&#039;d be rejected today too.  They&#039;re far less attractive than Amazon in any event, Amazon has a better site, better prices, better range of products (its not just books, folks) and I&#039;m sure better conversion rates.  There&#039;s a reason why Amazon is the biggest online retailer.

If these bills pass in California, I&#039;ll essentially be killed as an affiliate marketer, unless I can get an out of state friend let me come and live on their couch.  California still won&#039;t get any sales tax from Amazon, Overstock, etc., the rich affiliates will take their jobs and their income out of the state, and I&#039;ll either be forced into going onto welfare and begging my way out of the state so I don&#039;t lose thousands of hours invested into my affiliate sites.  That&#039;s the reality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can speak from personal experience on this issue, because I&#8217;m one of those small fry affiliates desperately trying to scratch out a living from Amazon&#8217;s affiliate program (and others).  I was laid off in 2009, haven&#8217;t been able to find a new job since, and have no realistic expectation that I will find a new one any time soon, given California has the 2nd highest unemployment rate in the nation.  I&#8217;ve been working every day, often 15 hour days, creating blog pages to try to get to the point where I can at least cover my monthly expenses.  At this point, affiliate marketing is my only realistic hope of keeping off the welfare rolls and out of food banks.  If any of these bills go into law, Amazon, Overstock, and other affiliate programs will dump me, and then I don&#8217;t know what I will do.  The rich affiliates will move out of state, taking their jobs, personal income, etc. with them, I don&#8217;t have that option.</p>
<p>I can tell you from personal experience, switching over to new vendors would require re-doing the months worth of work I&#8217;ve already done.  I would get ZERO future income from hundreds or even thousands of hours worth of work I&#8217;ve already done, and switching everything over would prevent me from doing hundreds of hours worth of work that I could do as I end up having to spend that time re-doing work I&#8217;ve already done.  Anyone who thinks you can just flick a switch and change everything over doesn&#8217;t understand how affiliate marketing works.</p>
<p>As for Barnes &amp; Nobles offer to pick up some of the dumped affiliates, note the word &#8220;some&#8221;.  The beauty of Amazon&#8217;s affiliate program is that anyone, anyone, with a website, no matter what their traffic, no matter if they have no prior affiliate experience, no matter how small their website, can join the Amazon Associates Program and start in affiliate marketing.  You don&#8217;t have to have a fully completed website, you don&#8217;t have to have a minimum traffic level, you aren&#8217;t scrutinized by some affiliate manager, you can just join and start working.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how small you are, how poorly you perform in the beginning, you can still join, participate, and work towards bigger and more profitable times.  That&#8217;s a large part of WHY amazon became as big as they did, their open door policy towards all affiliate marketers.</p>
<p>Not so with Barnes &amp; Noble.  I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be glad to scoop up the top performers, well, the ones who don&#8217;t relocate out of state, that is, but they won&#8217;t be interested in the small fry.  I applied to their affiliate program and was rejected, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be rejected today too.  They&#8217;re far less attractive than Amazon in any event, Amazon has a better site, better prices, better range of products (its not just books, folks) and I&#8217;m sure better conversion rates.  There&#8217;s a reason why Amazon is the biggest online retailer.</p>
<p>If these bills pass in California, I&#8217;ll essentially be killed as an affiliate marketer, unless I can get an out of state friend let me come and live on their couch.  California still won&#8217;t get any sales tax from Amazon, Overstock, etc., the rich affiliates will take their jobs and their income out of the state, and I&#8217;ll either be forced into going onto welfare and begging my way out of the state so I don&#8217;t lose thousands of hours invested into my affiliate sites.  That&#8217;s the reality.</p>
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		By: Sean Roberts		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a progressive, I totally agree that this bill will only destroy in-state internet publishers of all sizes, who depend on affiliate ad sales for income in the same way that newspapers and broadcast TV rely on ad sales for their income.  Taxing sales generated through ads on California-based websites makes as much sense as trying to tax sales made by out-of-state companies which advertise in local newspapers or on local TV stations.  Of course this latter type of sales tax would never fly if only due to the lobbying clout of the print and TV media.

Amazon and other affiliate ad networks will simply stop allowing affiliate ads on California-based content websites, killing many in-state businesses. The sales will still be made through Amazon, only no ad revenue will be paid to California webmasters. The state will lose that income tax revenue, while the websites will likely go out of business.

As a website owner, I know the ins and outs of the business. Faced with the loss of all my advertisers, my sites would be forced to move out of state or close. Almost every other California based professional web publisher will face this same problem. How will this possibly end up in a net gain of any sort for the state treasury? It won&#039;t.

This is a law conceived by incompetent and/or corrupt legislators who make no attempt to grasp the intricacies of how web advertising works. Just the fact that Barnes and Noble is mentioned as a &quot;replacement&quot; for Amazon ads shows just how little these legislators understand the web publishing industry. Only a very small percentage of Amazon affiliate ads promote BOOKS these days. Instead, these ads promote every other product under the sun. As a result, Barnes and Noble would be unable to pick up 99% of the ad revenue that would be lost if Amazon and other affiliate ad networks (like Shareasale and Commission Junction) were to dump California websites, as they have promised to do in the event this bill passes.

Sure there needs to be sales tax equity, but his is an issue that needs to be addressed at the Federal level. Walmart is the main force lobbying for this bill in CA and other states. They could care less about the havoc such poorly conceived legislation will wreck - their sole intent is to wage war on Amazon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a progressive, I totally agree that this bill will only destroy in-state internet publishers of all sizes, who depend on affiliate ad sales for income in the same way that newspapers and broadcast TV rely on ad sales for their income.  Taxing sales generated through ads on California-based websites makes as much sense as trying to tax sales made by out-of-state companies which advertise in local newspapers or on local TV stations.  Of course this latter type of sales tax would never fly if only due to the lobbying clout of the print and TV media.</p>
<p>Amazon and other affiliate ad networks will simply stop allowing affiliate ads on California-based content websites, killing many in-state businesses. The sales will still be made through Amazon, only no ad revenue will be paid to California webmasters. The state will lose that income tax revenue, while the websites will likely go out of business.</p>
<p>As a website owner, I know the ins and outs of the business. Faced with the loss of all my advertisers, my sites would be forced to move out of state or close. Almost every other California based professional web publisher will face this same problem. How will this possibly end up in a net gain of any sort for the state treasury? It won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This is a law conceived by incompetent and/or corrupt legislators who make no attempt to grasp the intricacies of how web advertising works. Just the fact that Barnes and Noble is mentioned as a &#8220;replacement&#8221; for Amazon ads shows just how little these legislators understand the web publishing industry. Only a very small percentage of Amazon affiliate ads promote BOOKS these days. Instead, these ads promote every other product under the sun. As a result, Barnes and Noble would be unable to pick up 99% of the ad revenue that would be lost if Amazon and other affiliate ad networks (like Shareasale and Commission Junction) were to dump California websites, as they have promised to do in the event this bill passes.</p>
<p>Sure there needs to be sales tax equity, but his is an issue that needs to be addressed at the Federal level. Walmart is the main force lobbying for this bill in CA and other states. They could care less about the havoc such poorly conceived legislation will wreck &#8211; their sole intent is to wage war on Amazon.</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Seiler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kent:

1. The California tax would not affect sales by Amazon itself; that&#039;s affected only by federal law. Only the &quot;affiliates&quot; would pay the tax -- the Mom and Pop outfits. And if the tax is imposed, Amazon says it will just end the affiliates. So no tax would come from Amazon&#039;s affiliates, either.

2. You missed my point that California benefits from making use of the Internet as easy as possible: more Internet, more profits to California companies. Hampering the Internet ourselves with a complicated state sales tax on Amazon, etc., would reduce Internet use, and encourage other states and countries to do similar things. Thus hurting California Internet companies. Hurting California companies would reduce their taxable business, and so reduce the income, cap gains and other taxes they pay.

3. Trying to grab $124 million from affiliates -- and you wouldn&#039;t get that, because many would go out of business -- hardly would help solve a $25 billion budget deficit.

4. Thank you for the update on the bill number.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent:</p>
<p>1. The California tax would not affect sales by Amazon itself; that&#8217;s affected only by federal law. Only the &#8220;affiliates&#8221; would pay the tax &#8212; the Mom and Pop outfits. And if the tax is imposed, Amazon says it will just end the affiliates. So no tax would come from Amazon&#8217;s affiliates, either.</p>
<p>2. You missed my point that California benefits from making use of the Internet as easy as possible: more Internet, more profits to California companies. Hampering the Internet ourselves with a complicated state sales tax on Amazon, etc., would reduce Internet use, and encourage other states and countries to do similar things. Thus hurting California Internet companies. Hurting California companies would reduce their taxable business, and so reduce the income, cap gains and other taxes they pay.</p>
<p>3. Trying to grab $124 million from affiliates &#8212; and you wouldn&#8217;t get that, because many would go out of business &#8212; hardly would help solve a $25 billion budget deficit.</p>
<p>4. Thank you for the update on the bill number.</p>
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		By: Kent Lewandowski		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kent Lewandowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You failed to convince me how Amazon is such a great contributor to California.  On the one hand you mentioned Apple, Google, etc. being in Silicon Valley, yet on the other hand you yourself acknowledged that Amazon has no physical presence in Califonia (which was your reason why Amazon should pay no state sales tax.)  So how exactly is Amazon contributing to this state&#039;s economy?  Answer: it isn&#039;t.  It only takes away sales that otherwise would be made to stores that DO pay the sales tax.  In fact I would wager that a significant volume of Amazon&#039;s sales in CA happens simply because of the small price advantage it gets from getting away with paying no sales tax.
That is exactly why Amazon needs to be taxed just like every other &quot;Mom and Pop&quot; store you glorify.
And if you&#039;re wondering why we waited so long to push this &quot;E Fairness&quot; bill, then you&#039;re right it should have been done years ago.  However now that CA is in fiscal crisis all loopholes need to to be revisited and CLOSED.
Tax Amazon sales in CA - it&#039;s the right thing!
p.s. the new bill appears to have been renamed from AB 153 to AB 178.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You failed to convince me how Amazon is such a great contributor to California.  On the one hand you mentioned Apple, Google, etc. being in Silicon Valley, yet on the other hand you yourself acknowledged that Amazon has no physical presence in Califonia (which was your reason why Amazon should pay no state sales tax.)  So how exactly is Amazon contributing to this state&#8217;s economy?  Answer: it isn&#8217;t.  It only takes away sales that otherwise would be made to stores that DO pay the sales tax.  In fact I would wager that a significant volume of Amazon&#8217;s sales in CA happens simply because of the small price advantage it gets from getting away with paying no sales tax.<br />
That is exactly why Amazon needs to be taxed just like every other &#8220;Mom and Pop&#8221; store you glorify.<br />
And if you&#8217;re wondering why we waited so long to push this &#8220;E Fairness&#8221; bill, then you&#8217;re right it should have been done years ago.  However now that CA is in fiscal crisis all loopholes need to to be revisited and CLOSED.<br />
Tax Amazon sales in CA &#8211; it&#8217;s the right thing!<br />
p.s. the new bill appears to have been renamed from AB 153 to AB 178.</p>
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		By: Naomi Litvin		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Naomi Litvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a good, informative article and I agree with everything except your comparison of this issue to Jim Jones and the death of over 900 people. Your writing and arguments stand on their own. You didn&#039;t need to post a gory photo of death.  It&#039;s not too late to reprint this, sans the gore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good, informative article and I agree with everything except your comparison of this issue to Jim Jones and the death of over 900 people. Your writing and arguments stand on their own. You didn&#8217;t need to post a gory photo of death.  It&#8217;s not too late to reprint this, sans the gore.</p>
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		By: Tylerle13		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tylerle13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazon is not some overnight sensation that just sprung up within the last year, this company has been around for a quite a while. If the way they do business &#038; collect taxes is that big of a problem, then why was it not addressed years ago? Why is this issue just now coming to Congress? If this was a true problem it would have been addressed as soon as they realized it was happening instead of trying to use Amazon as an ATM now that they have run the state into the ground. Amazon operated well within the laws set forth by our government, yet they are villified for being successful. It is clear that these Legislators just dont want to make the cuts that are neccessary to make our state fiscally sound, so they form their head hunting parties and try to find any additional sources of revenue so they can continue to pay back the people who funded their campaigns.


And steveo, no amount of money will make our government &quot;fiscally sounds and able to provide needed public services&quot; in the long term because every time they get any additional revenue, they just blow it on pork &#038; fraudulent programs. Without all of the waste, corruption, &#038; redundancy removed from our government, they will just tax &#038; spend into insolvency. For now, they will just keep hiring media relations scumbags like Snake Oil steve maviglio in an attempt to fool the public into paying more taxes &#038; portray successful people as villians who should be treated as ATMs for public union.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon is not some overnight sensation that just sprung up within the last year, this company has been around for a quite a while. If the way they do business &amp; collect taxes is that big of a problem, then why was it not addressed years ago? Why is this issue just now coming to Congress? If this was a true problem it would have been addressed as soon as they realized it was happening instead of trying to use Amazon as an ATM now that they have run the state into the ground. Amazon operated well within the laws set forth by our government, yet they are villified for being successful. It is clear that these Legislators just dont want to make the cuts that are neccessary to make our state fiscally sound, so they form their head hunting parties and try to find any additional sources of revenue so they can continue to pay back the people who funded their campaigns.</p>
<p>And steveo, no amount of money will make our government &#8220;fiscally sounds and able to provide needed public services&#8221; in the long term because every time they get any additional revenue, they just blow it on pork &amp; fraudulent programs. Without all of the waste, corruption, &amp; redundancy removed from our government, they will just tax &amp; spend into insolvency. For now, they will just keep hiring media relations scumbags like Snake Oil steve maviglio in an attempt to fool the public into paying more taxes &amp; portray successful people as villians who should be treated as ATMs for public union.</p>
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		By: StevefromSacto		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2011/03/24/suicidal-amazon-tax/#comment-4416</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevefromSacto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your overriding goal is to destroy government and privatize everything. So you are against anything that contributes to making the government fiscally sound and able to provide needed public serrvices. That&#039;s your bottom line. And everything you post is colored by that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your overriding goal is to destroy government and privatize everything. So you are against anything that contributes to making the government fiscally sound and able to provide needed public serrvices. That&#8217;s your bottom line. And everything you post is colored by that.</p>
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