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		By: John Seiler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/06/21/meg-flips-left/#comment-1487</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[A slavery and Hitler analogy really wasn&#039;t needed.

Here&#039;s a better one. Mexico&#039;s own immigration policies toward their Latino brothers from Central America are draconian, despite their president&#039;s griping about Arizona&#039;s much less onerous law.

Yet, I don&#039;t belive America should force Mexico to change its immigration law. In the same way, the Federal Govt. should not force Arizona to change its law, which after all is modeled on the Federal law itself.

And if Kansas wants to ban alcohol, which it can, I don&#039;t believe the Feds should overturn such a law. If I&#039;m thirsty, I just won&#039;t go to Kansas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slavery and Hitler analogy really wasn&#8217;t needed.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a better one. Mexico&#8217;s own immigration policies toward their Latino brothers from Central America are draconian, despite their president&#8217;s griping about Arizona&#8217;s much less onerous law.</p>
<p>Yet, I don&#8217;t belive America should force Mexico to change its immigration law. In the same way, the Federal Govt. should not force Arizona to change its law, which after all is modeled on the Federal law itself.</p>
<p>And if Kansas wants to ban alcohol, which it can, I don&#8217;t believe the Feds should overturn such a law. If I&#8217;m thirsty, I just won&#8217;t go to Kansas.</p>
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		By: StevefromSacto		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/06/21/meg-flips-left/#comment-1486</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John:

Good honorable people are trying to solve the immigration issue (just like budgets, foreign wars, etc..  They are not the problem. The problem is that they get crucified for trying to do anything that is not 100 percent anti-immigrant.

It isn&#039;t enough to throw up our hands and say people &quot;wallow&quot; in problems, so there&#039;s nothing we can do.  We can stand up to those who will not allow rational discourse and say &quot;enough.&quot; We can try to work together to find reasonable solutions which will require both sides to (gasp!) compromise.

And although you are a Libertarian, I somehow doubt you would have said about slavery or Hitler, &quot;I don&#039;t live there, so it&#039;s their business.&quot;

In conclusion, I subscribe to the Rodney King theory of political discourse: &quot;Can&#039;t we all just get along.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>Good honorable people are trying to solve the immigration issue (just like budgets, foreign wars, etc..  They are not the problem. The problem is that they get crucified for trying to do anything that is not 100 percent anti-immigrant.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t enough to throw up our hands and say people &#8220;wallow&#8221; in problems, so there&#8217;s nothing we can do.  We can stand up to those who will not allow rational discourse and say &#8220;enough.&#8221; We can try to work together to find reasonable solutions which will require both sides to (gasp!) compromise.</p>
<p>And although you are a Libertarian, I somehow doubt you would have said about slavery or Hitler, &#8220;I don&#8217;t live there, so it&#8217;s their business.&#8221;</p>
<p>In conclusion, I subscribe to the Rodney King theory of political discourse: &#8220;Can&#8217;t we all just get along.&#8221;</p>
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		By: John Seiler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/06/21/meg-flips-left/#comment-1485</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[StevefromSacto: As I&#039;ve mentioned before, I don&#039;t support the Arizona law. But I don&#039;t live there, so it&#039;s their business.

The point I was making was that Meg needs to choose: find some way to cut back on immigration through stiffer enforcement of laws controlling immigration, or end the welfare state. But she wants it both ways. In that, she&#039;s learning fast how to be a politician.

Immigration is another issue -- like budgets, foreign wars, oil spills, pensions -- that won&#039;t be solved, because Ameicans no long solve problems, but wallow in them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevefromSacto: As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, I don&#8217;t support the Arizona law. But I don&#8217;t live there, so it&#8217;s their business.</p>
<p>The point I was making was that Meg needs to choose: find some way to cut back on immigration through stiffer enforcement of laws controlling immigration, or end the welfare state. But she wants it both ways. In that, she&#8217;s learning fast how to be a politician.</p>
<p>Immigration is another issue &#8212; like budgets, foreign wars, oil spills, pensions &#8212; that won&#8217;t be solved, because Ameicans no long solve problems, but wallow in them.</p>
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		By: StevefromSacto		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before I go any further, Meg Whitman is a hypocrite. We don&#039;t need another hypocrite as governor.

But c&#039;mon, John, didn&#039;t think you&#039;d be a ideologue on immigration. Thought you had more smarts than that.

First of all, because one does not believe in the right-wing &quot;solution&quot; to the immigration issue--throwing 11 million undocumented people in jail or bussing them and their families to the border and dropping them there--does NOT mean that he or she supports &quot;open borders. And by the way, John, none of the anti-immigration zealots ever discuss the issue of who would pay for this &quot;solution&quot;--answer: the taxpayers, and how much it would cost--answer: billions.

There are really two separate issues.  The first is the border. I support making it tougher if not impossible for the undocumented to cross.

The second is far more complicated: What to do with those who are already here?  Sadly, anyone who does not the above &quot;solution&quot; is branded as being in favor of &quot;amnesty.&quot; Those who do not support clearly discriminatory and unconstitutional measures, such as the current Arizona law and the proposal to deny birth certificates to children born of the undocumented, are accused of supporting open borders. That&#039;s crap.

Amnesty is defined in the dictionary as an &quot;official pardon.&quot;  An official pardon is defined as &quot;to officially release from any, or any further, punishment somebody who has committed a crime or wrongdoing.&quot;

Making the undocumented pay a hefty fine, learn English and stand in the back of the line for legal status is not amnesty, it is common sense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I go any further, Meg Whitman is a hypocrite. We don&#8217;t need another hypocrite as governor.</p>
<p>But c&#8217;mon, John, didn&#8217;t think you&#8217;d be a ideologue on immigration. Thought you had more smarts than that.</p>
<p>First of all, because one does not believe in the right-wing &#8220;solution&#8221; to the immigration issue&#8211;throwing 11 million undocumented people in jail or bussing them and their families to the border and dropping them there&#8211;does NOT mean that he or she supports &#8220;open borders. And by the way, John, none of the anti-immigration zealots ever discuss the issue of who would pay for this &#8220;solution&#8221;&#8211;answer: the taxpayers, and how much it would cost&#8211;answer: billions.</p>
<p>There are really two separate issues.  The first is the border. I support making it tougher if not impossible for the undocumented to cross.</p>
<p>The second is far more complicated: What to do with those who are already here?  Sadly, anyone who does not the above &#8220;solution&#8221; is branded as being in favor of &#8220;amnesty.&#8221; Those who do not support clearly discriminatory and unconstitutional measures, such as the current Arizona law and the proposal to deny birth certificates to children born of the undocumented, are accused of supporting open borders. That&#8217;s crap.</p>
<p>Amnesty is defined in the dictionary as an &#8220;official pardon.&#8221;  An official pardon is defined as &#8220;to officially release from any, or any further, punishment somebody who has committed a crime or wrongdoing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Making the undocumented pay a hefty fine, learn English and stand in the back of the line for legal status is not amnesty, it is common sense.</p>
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