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		By: john		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does ab 32 affect the actual cost of commodity, gas, and the cost of a kilowatt hour for electricity]]></description>
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		By: Tyler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/11/new-ab32-driving-higher-energy-costs/#comment-1081</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Truthsquad,

Where exactly is all of that “Green” funding coming from? It wouldn’t happen to be coming from other states &#038; countries would it?

How are you so opposed to companies based Texas (who have been located in California for decades and who have already created jobs in California) contributing money to support ballot initiatives, but when investors from other states and countries contribute money to defeat the initiative, it is so wonderful and is justification for killing 1,000,000+  real California jobs?

If your primary argument against the California Jobs Initiative is that “outsiders” are getting involved, why arn’t you complaining about the “outsiders” who are the primary financiers of the attempt to defeat the California Jobs Initiative?

Those people trying to defeat the Jobs Initiative are only interested in the outcome because of the financial impacts it may have on their money, so why aren’t you calling them greedy?

Could it be because it is those are the same people who are paying you?

How about you try to be a little less hypocritical and transparent and actually talk about what you think is wrong with the language of the bill itself. The argument of “outsiders” getting involved is a moot point considering that both sides have received a substantial amount of funding from parties who are not based in California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Truthsquad,</p>
<p>Where exactly is all of that “Green” funding coming from? It wouldn’t happen to be coming from other states &amp; countries would it?</p>
<p>How are you so opposed to companies based Texas (who have been located in California for decades and who have already created jobs in California) contributing money to support ballot initiatives, but when investors from other states and countries contribute money to defeat the initiative, it is so wonderful and is justification for killing 1,000,000+  real California jobs?</p>
<p>If your primary argument against the California Jobs Initiative is that “outsiders” are getting involved, why arn’t you complaining about the “outsiders” who are the primary financiers of the attempt to defeat the California Jobs Initiative?</p>
<p>Those people trying to defeat the Jobs Initiative are only interested in the outcome because of the financial impacts it may have on their money, so why aren’t you calling them greedy?</p>
<p>Could it be because it is those are the same people who are paying you?</p>
<p>How about you try to be a little less hypocritical and transparent and actually talk about what you think is wrong with the language of the bill itself. The argument of “outsiders” getting involved is a moot point considering that both sides have received a substantial amount of funding from parties who are not based in California.</p>
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		By: Tyler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/11/new-ab32-driving-higher-energy-costs/#comment-1080</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 17:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trust me, the people who have already lost their jobs and homes because of CARB and AB 32 are not going to get their home back because some billionaire is investing money in a &quot;Green&quot; company that employees 10 people. You are trying to justify taking jobs away from 1,000,000+ people so that maybe 10,000 people can get new &quot;Green&quot; jobs and so VC speculators can try to cash in on the growth of companies that are completely dependant on government subsidies. It is a FACT (I know you may not be familiar with those) that AB 32 has already killed jobs in CA, and it will continue do demolish CA&#039;s economy if left in place.

How is it that it is horrible for a CEO to make money, but you are willing to kill 1,000,000+ real CA jobs in order to fatten the pockets of a VC investor? Your argument kind of defeats itself. And many of those companies that are supportive of AB 32 are expanding OUT of CA, because the business climate in this state is toxic. The only reason a company would decide to move to CA right now is because they would be getting govt subsidies.

And if these &quot;Dirty&quot; companies are soooooo horrible, then how come the Green Queen, Mary Nichols, has made millions by having a stock portfolio LOADED with big oil, big coal, and railroad companies? How come her huspand is the lawyer who is DEFENDING Exxon in their Exxon-Vadeze spill? Stop trying to use alarmist tactics and point to a freak oil spill that has nothing to do with the damage AB 32 will do. The argument is really weak considering that Nichols has been funding those oil companies and her huspand will make even more money by getting them off the hook.

Maybe you and Maviglio should get together and go out and talk to real people who have lost everything because of CARB and AB 32, instead of using CARB press releases and junk reports as your bible. I know issues like this just fatten your pockets because &quot;political advisors&quot; and &quot;public relations advisors&quot; are in high demand when the govt is going to do something so abusive, so they hire you guys to sit around and spew propoganda on comment boards, but the real tax payers in CA are being crushed by these fraudulent regulations. Remember, when all that tax money is gone, hack politicians wont have the unlimited funds available to hire you, so you will be out of a job just like the rest of the state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me, the people who have already lost their jobs and homes because of CARB and AB 32 are not going to get their home back because some billionaire is investing money in a &#8220;Green&#8221; company that employees 10 people. You are trying to justify taking jobs away from 1,000,000+ people so that maybe 10,000 people can get new &#8220;Green&#8221; jobs and so VC speculators can try to cash in on the growth of companies that are completely dependant on government subsidies. It is a FACT (I know you may not be familiar with those) that AB 32 has already killed jobs in CA, and it will continue do demolish CA&#8217;s economy if left in place.</p>
<p>How is it that it is horrible for a CEO to make money, but you are willing to kill 1,000,000+ real CA jobs in order to fatten the pockets of a VC investor? Your argument kind of defeats itself. And many of those companies that are supportive of AB 32 are expanding OUT of CA, because the business climate in this state is toxic. The only reason a company would decide to move to CA right now is because they would be getting govt subsidies.</p>
<p>And if these &#8220;Dirty&#8221; companies are soooooo horrible, then how come the Green Queen, Mary Nichols, has made millions by having a stock portfolio LOADED with big oil, big coal, and railroad companies? How come her huspand is the lawyer who is DEFENDING Exxon in their Exxon-Vadeze spill? Stop trying to use alarmist tactics and point to a freak oil spill that has nothing to do with the damage AB 32 will do. The argument is really weak considering that Nichols has been funding those oil companies and her huspand will make even more money by getting them off the hook.</p>
<p>Maybe you and Maviglio should get together and go out and talk to real people who have lost everything because of CARB and AB 32, instead of using CARB press releases and junk reports as your bible. I know issues like this just fatten your pockets because &#8220;political advisors&#8221; and &#8220;public relations advisors&#8221; are in high demand when the govt is going to do something so abusive, so they hire you guys to sit around and spew propoganda on comment boards, but the real tax payers in CA are being crushed by these fraudulent regulations. Remember, when all that tax money is gone, hack politicians wont have the unlimited funds available to hire you, so you will be out of a job just like the rest of the state.</p>
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		By: AB 32 driving energy costs higher &#171; Trager Water Report		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/11/new-ab32-driving-higher-energy-costs/#comment-1079</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: TheTruthSquad		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/11/new-ab32-driving-higher-energy-costs/#comment-1078</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 23:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, let&#039;s see. The author turns for advice from a consultant paid for by the same interests behind the Dirty Energy Proposition. Gee, what a shocker -- he says AB 32 will drive up costs. Of course, he doesn&#039;t factor in any of the benefits from renewable energy. Say, like the fact that it won&#039;t ruin local economies and the environment like a certain oil spill that&#039;s gushing 210,000 gallons of oil a day into the Gulf of Mexico. In his world, we shouldn&#039;t consider the costs of this, or to the families who won&#039;t be getting any income for the next several months.

And the defense of the Texas oil companies is quite staggering. Valero&#039;s CEO just got a 64 percent salary increase to $10.6 million a year. Not bad for a CEO who was called out on &quot;Mad Money&quot; as one of the worst in the nation.

The &quot;blatant lie&quot; is that AB 32 hasn&#039;t cost the state a single job. In fact, it&#039;s the catalyst for billions of investment (just as the National Venture Capitalists Assn., who opposes the initiative). Or perhaps some of the state&#039;s largest employers, who also are against this oil company-bankrolled initiative (Google, Meg Whitman&#039;s eBay, Applied Materials, Waste Management, etc.).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s see. The author turns for advice from a consultant paid for by the same interests behind the Dirty Energy Proposition. Gee, what a shocker &#8212; he says AB 32 will drive up costs. Of course, he doesn&#8217;t factor in any of the benefits from renewable energy. Say, like the fact that it won&#8217;t ruin local economies and the environment like a certain oil spill that&#8217;s gushing 210,000 gallons of oil a day into the Gulf of Mexico. In his world, we shouldn&#8217;t consider the costs of this, or to the families who won&#8217;t be getting any income for the next several months.</p>
<p>And the defense of the Texas oil companies is quite staggering. Valero&#8217;s CEO just got a 64 percent salary increase to $10.6 million a year. Not bad for a CEO who was called out on &#8220;Mad Money&#8221; as one of the worst in the nation.</p>
<p>The &#8220;blatant lie&#8221; is that AB 32 hasn&#8217;t cost the state a single job. In fact, it&#8217;s the catalyst for billions of investment (just as the National Venture Capitalists Assn., who opposes the initiative). Or perhaps some of the state&#8217;s largest employers, who also are against this oil company-bankrolled initiative (Google, Meg Whitman&#8217;s eBay, Applied Materials, Waste Management, etc.).</p>
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		By: Tyler		</title>
		<link>https://calwatchdog.com/2010/05/11/new-ab32-driving-higher-energy-costs/#comment-1077</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CARB&#039;s Official Mouthpiece, &quot;Truthsquad&quot;, hasnt tried to argue how wonderful CARB and AB 32 are yet? I guess CARB hasnt come up with an official press release yet, arguing that CARB will save $987,696,998,768,834,287 over the next 10,000 years and prevent 1,000,000,000,000 people from dying 5 minutes early each year by maybe, possibly, hopefully attracting venture capital from Al Gore. I&#039;m really curious to see how &quot;Truthsquad&quot; is going to try to spin stealing thousands of dollars from each citizen.

I&#039;m glad that some authors are putting the facts of AB 32&#039;s devistation into language that people will understand. If the opposion to the Jobs Initiative is going to waste all of their time complaining about &quot;Texas Oil Companies&quot; (Who just happen to operate in California and have created thousands of jobs for our State) then they are going to get a very very rude awakening come November. They have no legitimate arguements against the initiative so they just keep whining about who is contributing to the campaign and telling the blatent lie that AB 32 is going to lead to job creation.

As long as we have some honest and ethical authors who tell the truth about the devistation that AB32 has caused, and will continue to cause, and they present it in a Dollars and Cents context that people can understand, AB 32 will easily be suspended when the voters finally get a say in the matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CARB&#8217;s Official Mouthpiece, &#8220;Truthsquad&#8221;, hasnt tried to argue how wonderful CARB and AB 32 are yet? I guess CARB hasnt come up with an official press release yet, arguing that CARB will save $987,696,998,768,834,287 over the next 10,000 years and prevent 1,000,000,000,000 people from dying 5 minutes early each year by maybe, possibly, hopefully attracting venture capital from Al Gore. I&#8217;m really curious to see how &#8220;Truthsquad&#8221; is going to try to spin stealing thousands of dollars from each citizen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that some authors are putting the facts of AB 32&#8217;s devistation into language that people will understand. If the opposion to the Jobs Initiative is going to waste all of their time complaining about &#8220;Texas Oil Companies&#8221; (Who just happen to operate in California and have created thousands of jobs for our State) then they are going to get a very very rude awakening come November. They have no legitimate arguements against the initiative so they just keep whining about who is contributing to the campaign and telling the blatent lie that AB 32 is going to lead to job creation.</p>
<p>As long as we have some honest and ethical authors who tell the truth about the devistation that AB32 has caused, and will continue to cause, and they present it in a Dollars and Cents context that people can understand, AB 32 will easily be suspended when the voters finally get a say in the matter.</p>
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